This is the discussion post for A Game of Thrones for the A Game of Thrones (A Song of Ice and Fire Reading Challenge) hosted by The Lit Bitch.
The discussion posts will consist of five questions about the book which the challenge participant will answer.
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Below are the five questions posted along with my answer.
1.) Why do you think Ned insists on keeping Jon with the Stark family? Are Catelyn’s feelings really about Jon or do they have more to do with Ned’s refusal to tell her who the mother is? What does Catelyn’s treatment of Jon say about her own personality?
From what we have read about Ned Stark in A Game of Thrones, we know that he is an honorable man. I feel that something must have happened to Jon’s birth mother that made Ned take him home to live with his family.
With regards to Catelyn’s feelings about Jon, I think its just the fact that Ned had fathered a child in their first year of marriage and had the audacity to actually bring him home and raise him among their trueborn children. Plus the fact that Jon looks more like Ned than any of his other children.
“Many men fathered bastards. Catelyn had grown up with that knowledge. It came as no surprise to her, in the first year of her marriage, to learn that Ned had fathered a child on some girl chance met on campaign. He had a man’s needs, after all, and they had spent that year apart, Ned off at war in the south while she remained safe in her father’s castle at Riverrun. Her thoughts were more of Robb, the infant at her breast, than of the husband she scarcely knew. He was welcome to whatever solace he might find between battles. And if his seed quickened, she expected he would see to the child’s needs.
He did more than that. The Starks were not like other men. Ned brought his bastard home with him, and called him “son” for all the north to see. When the wars were over at last, and Catelyn rode to Winterfell, Jon and his wet nurse had already taken up residence.
That cut deep. Ned would not speak of the mother, not so much as a word…”
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“… It had taken her a fortnight to marshal her courage, but finally, in bed one night, Catelyn had asked her husband the truth of it, asked him to his face. That was the only time in all their years that Ned had ever frightened her. “Never ask me about Jon,” he said, cold as ice. “He is my blood, and that is all you need to know.”
“Whoever Jon’s mother had been, Ned must have loved her fiercely, for nothing Catelyn said would persuade him to send the boy away. It was the one thing she could never forgive him. She had come to love her husband with all her heart, but she had never found it in her to love Jon. She might have overlooked a dozen bastards for Ned’s sake, so long as they were out of sight. Jon was never out of sight, and as he grew, he looked more like Ned than any of the trueborn sons she bore him. Somehow that made it worse.”
I have always disliked Catelyn’s treatment of Jon. The child has done nothing wrong to hurt her other than inherit the looks of her husband. What does that tell me about her? That she is downright spiteful. She is admirable for what she would do for her children but to treat another human being as such is just not right. Her children have managed to accept him, why can’t she. Although it is practically within her rights to be mad as a legal wife but she can at least treat him somewhat nicely.
2) For those of you who haven’t read ‘high fantasy’, did you find this first book intimidating or challenging? What was the most difficult thing for you to understand/read in this series? Was it the prose, point of view, or the over all story etc?
I’ve read Lord of the Rings and The Chronicles of Narnia and each had its own challenges. The thing with A Game of Thrones that it is so complex and laden with small clues here and there that make you go crazy. Plus, I’ll be honest that I had a hard time keeping up with the multitude of characters, especially the minor ones.
3) What do you make of the direwolves? Are they a bad omen? Do you think the direwolves foreshadow the coming of something more sinister than the fight of the throne? In what ways?
I think that it is sign that changes are about to come. As the famous Stark saying goes, “Winter is coming.” Benjen Stark did mention that they still here direwolves north of the Wall so that is proof that there are still direwolves. Its just that the litter that they found was not anywhere near the Wall and killed by a stag nonetheless seemed to set the mood for ill tidings to come.
4) Aerys Targaryen (the mad king), raped Lyanna Stark and murdered her brother, and then attempted to murder their allies–the Starks, Baratheons, and Arryns rebelled and overthrew the king. Afterward, Robert was crowned king. How much of his actions now are still revenge orientated? Do you think he is justified in his hatred of the Targaryens? Do you feel his actions, past and present, are justified?
I think that it was Rhaegar Targaryen, the son of the Mad King, who was accused of raping Lyanna Stark by Robert Baratheon. The Mad King did have Brandon Stark and Lord Rickard Stark murdered. All of these events triggered the war that was won by Robert at the Trident when he killed Rhaegar Targaryen.
Robert still seems mad at the thought that there are still two living and breathing Targaryens yet he couldn’t do anything about it. I think that it was rather stupid that his hatred should go far down the family tree when the only person that had done harm to him were the Mad King and Rhaegar Targaryen. Both of which were now long gone.
I would consider his past actions to be rather justified because the Mad King did commit murder for no apparent reason. But his present actions are more of security for the throne as the Targaryens were the last ruling dynasty that they overthrew and could still lay claim to the throne.
5) How do you feel about Jon’s choice to join the Night Watch? Do you think he is giving up his life and his gifts/talents? Do you think his choice is an honorable one? How did you feel when the Lord Commander gave Jon his family sword?
I really felt bad that Jon Snow would want to join the Night’s Watch. But then again in a world where bastards are shunned, where else could he hope to go? As Ned said, “bastards can rise high in the Night’s Watch.” And we also know that for a fact because one of the leaders in the Night’s Watch was a son of a tavern wench (I’m forgetting the name). So, it was definitely an honorable move from Jon but just rather shocking that he would request to take the Black at fourteen years of age.
I also do not think that Jon was giving up his gifts and talents. I feel that they are of more use in the Wall where they defend the entire realm from forces that mean to do harm. Albeit scarier because they have to deal with supernatural forces as well but I find it to be real defending rather than fighting for lords who only want to play the game of thrones.
I think it was great the Mormont gave the sword to someone who can actually wield it. It belonged to his House and was last the possession of his son who dishonored the family by selling poachers instead of giving them to the Night’s Watch and is now in league with Daenerys Targaryen. Since Mormont mentioned that the sword was left forgotten until the fire, I think that it was right to give it to someone who could use it to defend the Wall.
Favorite passage?
There are lots to choose from. Here are some:
Never forget what you are, for surely the world will not. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armour yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you.
Bran thought about it. ‘Can a man still be brave if he’s afraid?’
‘That is the only time a man can be brave,’ his father told him.
The man who passes the sentence should swing the sword. If you would take a man’s life, you owe it to him to look into his eyes and hear his final words. And if you cannot bear to do that, then perhaps the man does not deserve to die.
Most men would rather deny a hard truth than face it.
It is one thing to be clever and another to be wise.
Oh, my sweet summer child,” Old Nan said quietly, “what do you know of fear?
Fear is for the winter, my little lord, when the snows fall a hundred feet
deep and the ice wind comes howling out of the north. Fear is for the long
night, when the sun hides its face for years at a time, and little children
are born and live and die all in darkness while the direwolves grow gaunt and
hungry, and the white walkers move through the woods


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